The Holy Grail...

From: Chantal-Elsa (Original Message)
Sent: 9/16/2007 6:51 PM

Reading on the website about the search for the Holy Grail, I wonder if anyone has ever thought that it can be within ourselves, or, as ancient Hebrews said: ''at the bottom of the ''well of the oath'', that is, deep and secreted from the bare eyes of the shallow minds).
This has been my understanding when I spent much time studying some the Middle-Eastern esoteric friends of the Templars, who blend in Islamic, while offending no one. The nine had indeed penetrated the first crusade, so well provoked, and found their way exactly where they wished to be... (Let us recognize that it was one the greatest political ruse and tour-de force, surely!)
Perhaps they brought some items of historical/archaelogical value; perhaps also this did not stop them from bringing back the abstract treasures buried and forgotten under centuries of excessive oppression in the West, treasures guarded, at all cost, for us to enjoy for evermore, enjoyable in full Freedom, and all the more, it is hidden under bright light.
I think of a famous Middle-Eastern group named ''the Nusairi''.They are Syrians. In their outer lifestyle, they offend not Islam, they could not, by all means, since they are not heretical; they blend, just like our Masons blend in our societies, going even to church, wherever they are.. They somehow believe in a cup receiving the dew...
Hope I am making some sense.
Peace to all.
Ch-E.

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From: Stibknight1
Sent: 9/17/2007 3:59 PM

Fraters, Bretheren, ALL,The Cup is obtainable by all. It is the vessel (secret vessel) of the alchemists. There is only one Cup, one Grail, one vessel, one substance, one Mother.It holds the (red) male and the (white) female....the wine and the bread of the First Eucharis (not the Last Supper)......the blood of Christ and the Milk of the Virgin of the Crucifiction (the celebration of Resurection or rebirth, not death).This is not an esoteric "happening", it is a real, physical thing that must be obtained to complete the Work, the Great Work. The thing that Arthur had to find to bring his "kingdom" into balance.This is the begetting of Wisdom, to know God (Allah, Maat, ....et al...by what ever name you wish to apply.) or at least to know how God works.Why else is the Philosophers Stone so named?We are not looking for an artifact, "IT" can be found in any stone, one simply needs to know how. Just like Arthur, Excalibur is extracted by the WISE. One should not expect to go to Rosslyn, or anywhere else in fact, to find "IT". It lies at the bottom of the "spring at the base of the oak", the bottom of the "lake" from which "the lady offers up Excalibur to Merlin (the Magi)"Spirit (life - nothing more and nothing less) is the "dew which rains down as a continual blessing", it is defined as a condensed vapour ( even of Hermans beard)LUXBob
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From: Chantal-Elsa
Reading on the website about the search for the Holy Grail, I wonder if anyone has ever thought that it can be within ourselves, or, as ancient Hebrews said: ''at the bottom of the ''well of the oath'', that is, deep and secreted from the bare eyes of the shallow minds).
This has been my understanding when I spent much time studying some the Middle-Eastern esoteric friends of the Templars, who blend in Islamic, while offending no one. The nine had indeed penetrated the first crusade, so well provoked, and found their way exactly where they wished to be... (Let us recognize that it was one the greatest political ruse and tour-de force, surely!)
Perhaps they brought some items of historical/archaelogical value; perhaps also this did not stop them from bringing back the abstract treasures buried and forgotten under centuries of excessive oppression in the West, treasures guarded, at all cost, for us to enjoy for evermore, enjoyable in full Freedom, and all the more, it is hidden under bright light.
I think of a famous Middle-Eastern group named ''the Nusairi''.They are Syrians. In their outer lifestyle, they offend not Islam, they could not, by all means, since they are not heretical; they blend, just like our Masons blend in our societies, going even to church, wherever they are.. They somehow believe in a cup receiving the dew...
Hope I am making some sense.
Peace to all.
Ch-E.

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From: Chantal-Elsa
Sent: 9/17/2007 4:52 PM


Hi Brehtren; Superb reply to mine (in my broken English).
Now, for the good of all, please, do explain to all, why the Grail came to be identified with a stone, and why it has always been imagined in the green colour.
Incidently, when I mentionned the Nusairis, I should have spoken about the wonderful Sufis as well.
Wisdom never dies...Islam and Judaism never did suffocate it; no one had a profitable purpose in so-doing;that's why it was retrievable, and necessary to go back to its source, via the Levant. Thanks to the symbiotic Arab/Sefardi presence in Spain, till 1492,when all others were deprived of their Right to perceive Light and Peace, our European ancestors were exposed, by means of just ''peeping'' through these borders, via the famous Languedoc, on a source of Light that shone far down till ''Fez'', and, being regenerated by it, went back to its source, in the Levant, for which its own warrior-monk army was created, modeled after that of the Arab Ribbat...hence the Opening of the Tomb, sometimes said to be that of Ch. Rosenkreutz.
Throughout the centuries, mainly in the Middle-Ages till the 18th century CE,so many hard working and self-sacrificed Ones have silently toiled for us to enjoy anew, the right to perceive that Light, and that right to find the Grail within ourselves, where it should never have stopped to exist.
Let us beware to preserve It, forever more.
Thankyou, Bob.
Peace Profound to you, and all.
Ch.-E.

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From: Donna17190
Sent: 3/22/2008 2:23 AM

Dear Grail Brethren


Thank you for your thought provoking and inspiring posts on this central of all subjects. I have recently been reading "The Compte de Gabalis" by the Abbe N. de Montfaucon de Villars, which has become a fine follow up to OUR JOAC last month's meeting lecture subject, "Alchemical Regeneration" (the title was actually Alchemistical Regeneration) ICES Liber 46. The story is intriguing, but the footnotes (which, fill every other page and comprise a book in themselves) contain much fascinating information on the secret alchemical messages revealed in sacred religious texts, including a long section on the Koran.

The ICES Liber, from some unknown Rosicrucian Society, I would guess was written in the last century due to the detailed but somewhat outdated scientific descriptions of the workings of the Pituitary and Pineal glands in the brain, their relationship to one another; and their regenerative transformation crucial to forming the philosopher's stone and the Alchemical Wedding.

I've attached the Liber if you'd like to have a look!

as for the Compte, here's a select quote from the aforementioned 'footnotes', "When a religion is given to the world, a centre is usually established in which the pure essence of the sacred teachings is preserved intact. For as the human mind evolves in this essence it becomes tinctured so that the original teaching and instruction tend to become disintegrated by the action of human thought. Thus those whom Numa anointed with the Sacred Fire or Everlasting Solar Force transmitted this power and knowledge of its mystery to their successors, who maintained their temples of worship as centers for its radiation and the regeneration of the races, until that purpose for which the religion of Numa had been instituted was fulfilled and the Force which had vitalized it was withdrawn."


and now something from the 'Compte' himself," Man sinks into oblivion and indifference of thought and allows himself to be governed by the minds and opinions of others. It has therefore been possible to keep him in ignorance of his true estate and to retard his spiritual progress for centuries. The man who does not think cannot know, and becomes the slave and property of other minds. The man who thinks, wills to know, and tends to become the expression of the God within."

Oh, yes, and I would have to agree, the grail is to be found within us, but it is much more than mere emotional romanticism.

Easter Blessings,

Reverend Dame Donna, Grand Commander

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From: Donna17190
Sent: 5/16/2008 11:02 PM

The Grail as a cup or chalice is said to represent the feminine polarity of spirituality. If wine is present in it, this is taken to symbolize the male or active principle, the two polarities - masculine & feminine, positive & negative — symbolizing perfect manifestation. The feminine principle in life was not given the same consideration in Western civilization as the male principle, despite the symbol of the Virgin Mary to church doctrine. The adoption of Protestantism as a state religion in some countries diminished its importance still further. The Grail legend, symbolized as a receptive feminine archetype in the collective unconscious, has helped to preserve the feminine principle in man’s consciousness, especially during the period of the Reformation which experienced the strong masculine influences of Lutheranism and Calvinism. In recent centuries our civilization has tended to over—emphasize the masculine principle, and the balancing force of the feminine is now due to manifest in order to rectify this tendency. It can safely be predicted that the Grail mystery with the feminine symbol of the cup or chalice will again take hold of the popular imagination and fulfill its primordial destiny. In the light of what has been said, could one give a simple reply to the question of what the Grail really is? One answer might be that the Grail is the symbolic representation of what man will discover about himself and about the real meaning of life in his search for truth. The Grail is the essence of all that is, and is yet to be manifested. It can therefore be never fully comprehended, since life in the Cosmos will never end. At our limited level of understanding the Grail can be regarded symbolically as the perfect blueprint of what Man is intended to be at the summit of his evolution on planet Earth.

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From: Donna17190
Sent: 5/16/2008 11:19 PM

I don't pretend to have all the answers but here are a few suggestions....A legend has it that "the cup of the Grail was cut from an emerald stone, which fell from the brow of Lucifer during his battle with Saint Michael the Archangel, chief of the celestial militia." Green represents the Emerald fallen from the Crown of Lucifer (meaning Light-bearer), and the Emerald Table or Tablet of Hermes well known to Alchemists. Green is the Color of Vegetation, also the color that Copper, a metal associated with Venus turns when exposed to the atmosphere and oxidizes.

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From: Tau_Vincent_2
Sent: 5/17/2008 11:27 AM

That's because there are actually two Grails. There is an external one, the one that can be found and that was historically significant, and an internal one - the one that we find within ourselves when our quest for the truth gives us a glimpse of that truth. This is why the descriptions of the Grail are different, because the external one is ancient, but the internal one is different for everyone since it pertains to our own search for the truth and will tell us about ourselves.Have you found the Grail within? It's a quest that is well worth the undertaking!+Phillip

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From: kynara54leddon
Sent: 5/18/2008 9:14 PM


Has anyone ever read "The Grail Legend" by Emma Jung and Marie-Louis von Franz? They have some fascinating perspectives on the topic...